ppl vs full body 3 days

Week 1, 1.Monday: Push (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps) 2.Tuesday: Pull (Back, Biceps) 3.Wednesday: off 4.Thursday: Legs (Quads, Hamstrings, Calves, Abs) 5.Friday: off 6.Saturday: Push (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps) 7.Sunday: Pull (Back, Biceps) Week 2, 1.Monday: off 2.Tuesday: Legs (Quads, Hamstrings, Calves, Abs) 3.Wednesday: off 4.Thursday: Push (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps) 5.Friday: Pull (Back, Biceps) 6.Saturday: off 7.Sunday: Legs (Quads, Hamstrings, Calves, Abs) You mention on day one you do chest. Working out 3/4 days will let me have less volume/workout than 3/5 days. Whereas a body part split may only have you hitting chest or training bench once per week, a full body split allows you to hit chest and practice bench pressing 3 to 4 times per week. I’m doing the push, pull, leg split routine now. The article I just mentioned answers this question as well. I was curious to know your opinion of how that frequency could work if done “right”.How would you go about doing so, not just for me but for anyone in general.The rest days after hitting the major body parts (tue, thur, sat & sun) are beneficial in my opinion as they are very taxing on ones system.This frequency I believe can work provided that the routine is setup properly, which is why I posted my workout for you to critique. Should I train body parts or “movements?”. So far I love the principle. Not too big a deal, I imagine. Their commonly trained with shoulders I believe, but what exercises are best to train both shoulders and traps effectively? 11-21-2012, 03:41 PM #9. bogui94. For most people, weight training 5 days in a row is not only too much, but completely unnecessary. One arm row 4×8-12 3. Custom Program Design / Online Coaching, Phone Consultations (Training or Business), 10 Power-Building Keys to Increase Strength and Build Fat-Free Mass, Baker Barbell Club Online Coaching Program. Don't deadlift the day before leg day if you use deadlifts for back work, for example. Honestly never even heard of it, but from the minute I spent reading about it… it looks like total crap. 1. on my upper day was that too much of compound exercises or it is okay? Any suggestions for (intermediate) a routine: Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Tri’s and Abs Day 2: Legs, Back, Bi’s, Purpose: build muscle, look good. Body weight options, dumbbell options, and resistance band options. You don’t have to train exactly according to what I laid out here. Hey man! you can squat 3 days per week) and this will help with strength especially for beginners and early intermediates. Excellent guidance, thanks a lot. This is because i like to workout often,not only 3 times a week and i also love my abs and calves and wanna give them a real workout and not some sets at the end of a full body workout. If you have the schedule AND the recovery capabilities needed to do well with a 5-day split like this, then I’d certainly recommend giving it a try. In this version of the split, every body part is trained just once per week, and we have plenty of research (sources here and here) and real world experience at this point to know that this is usually the least effective workout frequency for someone trying to build muscle or gain strength. And 9 sets for biceps after they just got plenty of volume during back work would be way too much, especially when training with an optimal frequency. Sara. This is especially true for more advanced lifters. 2) If I should continue with push/pull/legs, should I try to change exercises like can I replace dips with any machine that works on the same muscles ? lol . It can work. Admittedly, this is a chicken and egg conundrum. These are just examples for illustrative purposes. For this reason alone, I don’t recommend this version of the push/pull/legs split to anyone looking to gain muscle or strength. A quick response from you would be great, much respect! How To Build Muscle And Lose Fat At The Same Time. Friday: Push (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps) 6. It’s one of the programs in The Best Workout Routines. Obviously lifters will do better with one program vs another program, so over time you have to figure out what works best for you. All of the details are fully laid out in the guide. So how should we apply this? This is fine if you only want to maintain muscle/strength, but for increasing it, a twice per week frequency is ideal. Why would it be better working out 2 times in a row rather than 3 but spending less time in the gym if working out 3 times in a row? With full body routines, each new exercises requires it’s own time to warm up (which can take a while if you are hitting big numbers) and generally more rest time between sets for primary barbell exercises. If your current full body plan is leaving you bored and worn out and without progress, reduce the frequency of the main lifts for a while, build on some new exercises and see what happens to your enthusiasm and in turn your strength. Especially the shoulders, that’s a killer doing lat pull downs, etc. Or, better yet, use it exactly as it’s written. And in the back of your mind you know you have to get it right today, because you only hit this lift once this week. It’s an option for Bodybuilding 2.0 in The Best Workout Routines. They’re getting plenty of indirect work during squats, deadlifts, etc. This makes it just slightly more frequent than Version 2. Usually the guy who trains his ass off 3-4 times per week, and pays attention to his own feedback from his efforts,  figures a lot of this shit out for himself. This second version of the split is one that I often refer to as the “rotating” version. It’s just NOT what works best for the majority of the population” how should it be done for a natural bodybuilder with a goal to build muscle using this frequency? Full-Body Routines vs Upper/Lower Split. Is the pull/leg/push just as affective as the push/leg/pull workout. So if it’s ideal as you say, then I’m not really sure what advice you’re looking for. Single calf raise 4×20 6. Moving them to leg day is a terrible idea. Incline press 4×8-12 3. Monday: off 2. Would it be OK to do 3 compound exercises and 3 isolation exercises per session? No holding back. I find that may trainees that train full body all the time start to approach their training like work rather than play. But is this the best choice for my situation? Tuesday: Push (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps) 3. 3 day full body or 6 day ppl? I have definitely noticed myself toning up and building some muscle, but I really want to gain more muscle. (Note that the workouts themselves still vary, as one week Monday is a “push” workout, and the next Monday is a “legs” workout. Probably not. Probably not. I’d like to do different exercises, for example Incline bench press instead of Bench Press for the 2nd Push day and so forth for every other group. Tuesday: off 3. 5 on heavy day, 3 on light day, and 4 on medium day. Push Pull Legs (PPL) programs are a popular way to structure bodybuilding, strength training, or powerbuilding style programming. As you can see, there are 3 total weight training workouts per week done in an every-other-day format with 2 days off at the end. Even im screaming ‘just read the other f***ing posts! Another popular option, which is basically the opposite of the bro-split, is a full body workout routine that is most commonly done as a 3 day workout split. Jenny Oct 11, 2011 - 07:05 # I have gone through a few book programs in the last year or so and have seen great fat loss, dropped a couple of dress sizes and am maintaining a very good BMI. ive been on a once a week per bodypart routine for a year. I get asked all the time about training splits. Wednesday: Legs (Quads, Hamstrings, Calves, Abs) 4. Ideally I’d like to do the four-day Upper/Lower split, but I just don’t have time at lunch to do a complete upper body workout in 45 minutes. How many days a week would be best programme? could you give me a list of the actual workouts, such as bench press, leg press, squat, curls, ect. That has some power in my opinion. However, yet again, there are some downsides. This is why I generally recommend an upper/lower body split performed 3-4 days per week for the typical beginner or novice lifter. Eg. I use only my bodyweight ( push ups , dips , hspu , squats , lounges , pullups etc ). Sample Plan. My workout is a Push/Pull/Legs routine on Monday, Wendsday and Friday.I find that with the number of exercises, sets/reps that I do along with the days off between workouts is ideal for me.Although you wrote that ” Yes, it can still work if everything else is done right. Nope, this is wrong too. Honestly, it’s a little more complicated than just being able to say “do x sets of biceps.” It depends on too many other factors specific to you and your overall program/goals/experience/etc. I do legs on Pull day, normally either squats or leg press, and ab’s on Push day. Isn’t better to try to target for the 8x8x8x first before adding weight? A fully designed program that puts all of the exercises/sets/reps/etc. Well that would definitely either just be your imagination (this is kinda like why people never deload or take time off… they “feel” like they are losing muscle/strength) or like you said: your overall routine might just kinda suck. So this means you would train 2 on, 1 off, 1 on, 1 off and then repeat. 3×8 is perfect for me because i’ve tried 3×10/3×12 with a little heavier weight and it’s too much i guess i’ll lower it to maybe 6 sets? Don’t like training 5 consecutive days, don’t like training legs once per week. Squat/Bench/Deads……. The guide already covers the basics of how to make various amounts of volume work with various frequencies, including this one. I see your point. Unless you’re a beginner, you will not progress in reps or weight every single workout. However, there is one major downside to this sort of schedule. The 3 day body part split and one full body exercise regimen sounds like it can be a sensible routine. People got really strong doing ALL THREE styles of training . In that case, I’d suggest going with the full body split if you’re a beginner, or the 3-day upper/lower split if you’re an intermediate or advanced trainee. Good info, brother. Training 3 days per week leaves the lifter with lots of options as it pertains to their Training Split of choice. The Full body workout. Monday: Pull (Back, Biceps) 2. If so, the primary difference is a caloric deficit. That’s 4 times per muscle group every 3 weeks, but obviously not as good as the 6 times that a 4 day Upper/Lower split would allow. Some people can make it work, but for many, weight training 3 days straight will be a bit too much. And when each lift in your training day is of more or less equal priority, then it’s not good to always be running out of gas for the last couple of exercises. Is it wrong to train 5 days in a row Monday to Friday? Squat 4×8-12 2. For example; training biceps both on push day and also a few sets for biceps on pull days. When training the full body at each session, usually lifters can only get in about 3 exercises with any degree of volume and meaningful effort. I’m currently in a deficit and I had some questions about this split and cardio. I don’t know if you answer questions like this but I can always ask . Saturday: Pull (Back, Biceps) 7. For example: Sunday: Push (Heavy weight low reps) Monday: Legs (Heavy weight low reps) Tuesday: Rest Wednesday: Pull (Heavy weight low reps) Thursday: Rest Friday: Push (Lighter weight, more reps) Saturday: Legs (Lighter weight, more reps) Sunday: Rest Monday: Pull (Lighter weight, more reps). It’s just too much of a pain in the ass to try and do this in the context of a full body routine. produces better progress and overall results for many people. Or should I do more/less? Though really, alternating the 2 weeks as push/legs/pull works for me well in terms of scheduling. Friday: Legs (Quads, Hamstrings, Calves, Abs) 6. Regimen 1 is a repeating 3 day cycle. for that one main lift, brings some aggression to the training session. Crunches 4×25 7. There is one major benefit to scheduling the workouts over a rotating 5-day cycle like this, and it’s all about increasing the training frequency. Nice Website. Typically goes with legs, but abs can really go on whatever training day you want. You can just as easily train on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays if it works better for you. it’s like this: Flat Bench Press Inclined Bench press Shoulder Military Press Barbell front Rows Chin ups Dips Skull Crushers, Deadlifts Squats Calf Raises Leg Press Abs. Like I’ve recently explained, allowing for optimal recovery is about more than just having enough days before training the same muscle group again. 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